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НАПИС ОД ЊУЈОРК ТАЈМС 4.ЈУЛИ 1992 ГОДИНА

Овој мој цитат на ФБ кај еден мој ФБ пријател предизвика сомнеж дека, цитатот не е точен.

ГЛИГОРОВ ПОПУШТАЛ ЗА ИМЕТО

Но многу информации говорат дека Глигоров во тоа време сепак бил актер во дипломатската игра да се попушти во битката за името со Грција, а не да бара прием во ОН под уставното име.....
.... Во текстот на новинарот Дејвид Биндер, објавен на 4 јули 1992 г.во 'Њујорк Тајмс’, напишан по повод Лисабонската декларација, по која Македонија ја изгуби битката за името, се разоткриваат причините за тоа. Новинарот пишува дека "се’ до неодамна, САД и најголемиот број на влади на Европската заедница ја прифатија Република Македонија не само како нова независна држава, туку исто така и со своето избрано име. Но она што се променило, според европските дипломати и официјалните лица на американската администрација, била перцепцијата дека претседателот Глигоров бил спремен да направи некаков компромис по прашањето за името. Оваа перцепција била очигледно создадена од забелешките што пролетта истата година македонските лидери им ги кажале на европски официјални лица како и од страна на американски лобисти. Имаше индикации дека ќе има флексибилност, рекол висок член на Стејт департментот. Идејата за флексибилноста на Скопје била раширена минатиот месец од страна на Роберт Мек Фарлеин, поранешен советник за национална безбедност на САД, кој бил ангажиран пред неколку месеци како лобист од страна на македонците. По посетата на Глигоров на Вашингтон во средината на мај, Мек Фарлејн рекол дека ќе има договор, односно Глигоров гледа потреба за таков дил. Мек Фарлејн бил платен за својата работа од Џон Битов"...



Мојот ФБ пријател спаѓа во онаа група на луѓе според кои САД и ЕУ, односно Запад е тој кој ни го смени името и кој од секогаш бил против Македонија, и од мене побара да го дадам целиот текст!

 
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Па еве го целиот текст:

West Supports Athens on Macedonia
(https://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/04/world/west-supports-athens-on-macedonia.html)

BDAVID BINDER and

 

Greece has gained the unanimous backing of the European Community and the United States in refusing to recognize the southernmost former Yugoslav republic as "Macedonia," creating chaos this week in the Macedonian Parliament.

Leaders of the 12-member community decided last week in Lisbon to extend recognition to the republic "under a name which does not include Macedonia." Macedonian legislators issued a declaration today saying they could not accept a name for the republic that did not include "Macedonia."

Assistant Secretary of State Thomas M. Niles wholeheartedly endorsed Greece's historical arguments on the subject of Macedonia at a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on June 23. He said that the Bush Administration thought that United States recognition "would require" support for Greece's stance.

Drawing on a late 19th-century revolutionary tradition, the Slavic republic of Macedonia was created in 1946 as a constituent part of the Yugoslav federation. When that federation dissolved last year in ethnic fighting, the republic declared itself independent.

Minister Quits in Protest

Since last November, Athens has asserted ever more forcefully that "Macedonia" is a traditionally Greek usage and that it may not be usurped by any other nation. The northern region of Greece is also called Macedonia.

The European Community and American statements stirred sharp reactions in Skopje, the Macedonian capital. On Sunday, Denko Maleski, Macedonia's Foreign Minister, resigned in protest against the Lisbon decision. On Tuesday, the Macedonian Parliament began four days of debate in which 67 deputies rose to speak. The session culminated today with the declaration insisting that the republic's name include "Macedonia."

At the Parliament session, 23 deputies called for a vote of confidence in President Kiro Gligorov, a process that under the Constitution, must be carried out by Monday.

Until recently, the United States and most Governments of the European Community accepted not only the Republic of Macedonia's credentials as a newly independent nation but also its chosen designation.

What changed, European diplomats and Administration officials said, was a perception that President Gligorov was willing to make some sort of compromise on the name issue. This perception was apparently created by remarks made in the spring by Macedonian leaders to European officials and by an American lobbyist.

"There were indications that there was some flexibility there," a senior State Department official said. 

 

'A Deal to Be Made'

 

According to State Department officials and Macedonian representatives here, the idea of Skopje's flexibility was spread last month by Robert C. McFarlane, the former national security adviser, who was hired several months ago as a lobbyist by Macedonians.

An Administration official said that after President Gligorov's visit to Washington in mid-May, Mr. McFarlane was quoted by State Department officials as saying: "There's a deal to be made. Gligorov sees a need for it."

In a telephone interview, Mr. McFarlane acknowledged speaking to State Department officials about Macedonia. He said he was being paid "a modest sum" by John Bitove, whom he described as a Toronto businessman of Macedonian origin. In fact, Mr. Bitove is president of the Canadian Macedonian Society, which is closely linked to President Gligorov.

In the category of "lobbyists," the society's May 25 financial summary lists disbursements of $39,021.04 to McFarlane Associates, Mr. McFarlane's Washington-based company. A total of $73,717.61 is listed as "payable" to the firm.

When reports reached Skopje that President Gligorov was being perceived as amenable to compromise, he became frightened of the possible repercussions among the Macedonian public and reasserted insistence on retaining the name Macedonia, a former aide said.

'Playing Games'

The former aide, Vasil Tupurkovski, resigned as President Gligorov's special envoy on May 17 because, he said, he felt that the Skopje leadership had been "playing games" on the name issue. Mr. Tupurkovski, a member of the Yugoslav presidency until its dissolution last year, is returning to Skopje this month to resume his post as a university professor of law.

Since it declared independence last year, Macedonia has been recognized by only a handful of foreign countries, including Bulgaria, Turkey and Slovenia.

Diplomats say Britain, which assumed the presidency of the European Community this week, has suggested simply extending recognition to Macedonia without using its name. Portugal, which held the community presidency before Britain, has proposed that Macedonia have two names, one for external use and one for internal use. France has also suggested using two names.

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A version of this article appears in print on July 4, 1992, 

 

Во тексот се наведува дека ROBERT C. MCFARLANE добил:  $39,021.04 и $73,717.61 за лобирање!!
Пратеникот Александар Флоровски на 14 страница од  СТЕНОГРАФСКИТЕ БЕЛЕШКИ од Првото продолжение на Сто и деветтата седница на Собранието на Република Македонија, одржанана 7 октомври 2005 година ке го изјави следново:

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Значи имаме потврда дека Џон Битов навистина е ангажиран за лобист!!

 

Ке го дадам и кружниот одговор на лобистот ROBERT C. MCFARLANE кој е објавен во изданието од следниот ден. МекФарлен го демантира твдрдењето во оригиналниот текст велејќи: „Во ниту еден миг, на никој, во никаков облик директно или индиректно не сум изјавил или сугерирал дека Македонија може да се вика со било какво друго име освен нејзиното право име: Македонија. Кога вашиот репортер ме праша дали верувам дека има флексибилност кај Македонците, мојот одговор беше 'НЕ'. Кога ме прашуваат дипломати од САД и Европа дали е можно некакво компромисно решение, одговарам дека Грчката позиција е неприфатлива, оттука неопходен е компромис.“

Оригиналот:

To the Editor:

Your July 4 report that Greece has secured United States and European Community support in refusing to recognize the southernmost former Yugoslav republic as Macedonia creates a false impression of my advice to the Canadian Macedonian Foundation about how Macedonia could best achieve sovereign recognition.

At no time, to anyone, in any fashion directly or indirectly have I ever stated or implied that Macedonia could be called by any but its proper name: Macedonia.

The only time your reporter called me, he asked whether I believed there was any flexibility on the part of Macedonia. My answer was "no."

When asked by United States and European diplomats whether some compromise solution was feasible, I have said Greece's position is unacceptable, thus compromise is essential. Further I have stated that President Kiro Gligorov wants direct negotiations with Greece so as to reach a peaceful modus vivendi with that country. ROBERT C. MCFARLANE Washington, July 5, 1992